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Tuesday 8 July - Brazil v Germany

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  1. Taffy

    Taffy C'mon you reds.

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    Who said there were no easy games at international level.
     
  2. Frosty

    Frosty You'll Never Walk Alone

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    [video=youtube;hTZBx0ziMFE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTZBx0ziMFE[/video]
     
  3. great white

    great white Registered User

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    That was Woy wasn't it?...Judging by his red blooded face he is a heart attack waiting to happen if England ever came close to reaching such a feat in his reign..

    Loew is like this ▼▼ on the bench with what ammunition he has at his disposal..

    [video=youtube;hUYzQaCCt2o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUYzQaCCt2o[/video]

    Sums it up really gotta feel sorry for him he can probably remember the merited glory days....
     
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  4. buzzbee

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    I actually feared for Germany at the start. Brazil started well, but I was concerned with the officials.

    Right near the start, the referees assistant gave a corner to Brazil, when the German defender had kept the ball in

    Then, in the Brazilian penalty box, a defender jumped and headed the ball. A German jumped with him but got nowhere near and didn’t make any contact and the referee game Brazil a free kick. I played it back a couple of times, just to be sure I had seen it correctly. There was no contact AT ALL and no suggestion of any kind of foul. Then, a minute or two later, on the far side of the field, a Brazilian with the ball, stopped suddenly and stuck his backside out, trying to make the German behind him run into him, but the German anticipated it and stopped, but the referee still blew the whistle straight away and gave the free kick. Again, I played it back a couple of times and he definitely avoided any collision.

    At this point, after what happened in the opening game of the tournament and with Blatter having stated that the competition dream final would be Brazil v Argentina, I was a little worried we could see some dodgy decisions, but thankfully, I think the ref had a very good game after this.

    To be honest, the ref would have had to be the most blatantly biased referee ever for Brazil to have stood any chance. Maybe if a German or two had been sent off before the second goal went in, Brazil might have had a chance. Once those 4 quick goals went in, I think the Germans could have had two players sent off and still held on with relative comfort
     
  5. Frosty

    Frosty You'll Never Walk Alone

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    Frosty You'll Never Walk Alone

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    I just saw it on metro radio page, had to post it here. Quite amusing.

    So where does this game leave Scolari? Will he stay on? Is the higher ups backing him up after the shambles of last night?

    I know if it was England in this situation, I'd be calling for the managers head to be honest.
     
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    I think most would agree that he left players out of the squad that should have gone. I don't think he has a cat in hells chance of keeping his job.
     
  9. great white

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    I can't see him staying but the question is who to replace him with?...

    On a spike above traitors gate on the Thames side of the Tower Of London have I missed something on the BBC news site?......
     
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    Don't think he has a hope in hell of being kept on. But seriously would he want to? I'd be too ashamed
     
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    Leivapool 22 time Champions of England

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    Rich, you think this will encourage a change in emphasis onto Brazilian football again? From the functional to the 'fantastical' again?

    After '82 when the glorious team of Socrates etc. failed the next generation of Brazilian players were more functional as that seemed to be the shift, couldn't just rely on beautiful football to win - the Dunga team etc. with a few starts thrown in. After the '94 success and '02 the production rate of renowned Brazilian attackers has slowed and shifted to defenders/DMs, with Dunga being praised in '94 & Gilberto Silva in '02 but there were still the likes of Romario, Bebeto, Ronaldo & Rivaldo. It's continued to the point where now Brazil only have 1 world-renowned attacker in Neymar who isn't the same level as many other of the top attackers in the world, but apart from him now the most high profile and important Brazilian players now being the back 4 (Alves, Maicon, Tiago Silva, David Luiz, Marcelo, Miranda, Filipe Luis etc.) and Luiz Gustavo & Fernandinho who cost loads at Man City. The other attackers who went simply weren't as good yet (Oscar) or were frauds (Hulk, Fred & Paulinho etc.).

    (That paragraph's just a long winded way of saying that Brazil seems to have sacrificed it's footballing principles to aim for success but it's gone too far in the wrong direction.)
     
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    I think he'll be gone the moment the 3rd 4th play off is done with.

    I completely agree...and I tested the water with a few people today and they are saying people will DEMAND a change. This has not worked, evidently. One thing is still (sadly) true in Brazil today is that football is one of the only ways out of abject povety...that...for the "seleção/selection" could be their blessing is disguise.

    The other thing is that the whole country will be behind Holland now...big time.
     
  14. Frosty

    Frosty You'll Never Walk Alone

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    I don't see anyway that they can keep him in charge, the fans will be against him since he is the one who picked the squad, the team, and the tactics, it's going to be virtually impossible in any light on how he will change it. The whole philosophy of the Brazilian team has changed, and they got found out last night, that philosophy isn't working.
     
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    In a nutshell, absolutely.
     
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    Osgood American/Plazzy fan type

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    I have no idea what the state of Brazilian football is like. If these players were truly the best he had to choose from, then he was always in trouble. What players are there that should have been in the World Cup squad but weren't?

    Having said that - this is the very reason he was sacked by Chelsea. Started well, but was found out. When he turned to page two to try something different he found there wasn't one.
     
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    Yes. I'm thinking on him exactly. That was horrible and Zuñiga received bad treats. Colombians are soo unlucky in that sense
     
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    Brazil 82...best team I ever seen: Socrates, Falcao, Zico, Eder, etc,etc,etc and magic. Not this horrible Scholari's football
     
  19. Frosty

    Frosty You'll Never Walk Alone

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    I think one of Big Phils problems, is he doesn't seem to vary the play, or willing to change his mind on things, he'd rather stick with what he knows than to experiment with different options, stick to one plan if that doesn't work, then I'm royally screwed.

    I don't know a lot about the Brazilian team, other than there attacking prowess but that has changed over the course to more defensive and seem to lack severely in the attacking department that I'm used to seeing, and like in this world cup, it's been clear that they just don't know how to score, but in terms of what players were available or good enough I am not sure he just seemed to have taken the players that he knows and is used to, than taken a chance on players that haven't played for the Brazil shirt. Hodgson this time round, took players that were young, inexperienced at this level, but I am sure in time they can become good, but that's Hodgson he has took chances, where Phil just took the players that he knows and has worked with, and doesn't seem to look like taking risks. And it's backfired. Because A: The players weren't good enough, B: Didn't perform.

    Mind you, I don't think a few players whoever could have played last night instead of a few who did play, might not have made a difference, simply Germany were on another level.
     
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    I completely agree with what you're saying there, I don't know much about them either but know enough to know that Phil is one stubborn bastard. I still like his charisma, and he still won in 2002.

    Big rethink and massive shake up to come...no doubt about that.

    :duke
     

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